performance enhancing drugs. he denied it. >> he denied it for 20 years and he is worst than bonds, mcgwire, tiger woods. >> neil: i actually believed him. the others ballooned up but in his case, i just believed it. >> which is part of the problem. if i were counseling, first of all with oprah, he has to confess totally, not a mark mcguire half pregnant confession. i got forced into it. he has to say what he did, who he did it with, when he did it, why he lied for 20 years. number two, he has got to say i wanted to now devote the rest of my life to try to fix this problem which is pervasive in racing, the doping problem to michael vick. >> neil: i don't know.